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[f1renze]

Jossverse newbie question: There *has* to be a vid out there where Faith talks about how Angel is the only one who's never given up on her when everyone else did. Just point it to me, please? Thanks. (I just finished "Soulless" [ETA: No, "Salvage"! Damn episode titles!] - do not spoil. Though I let vids spoil me all the time.)

My I-Man pilot eps are downloading unacceptably slowly. I desperately need a way around this! Suggestions? Thank you.

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[sisabet.livejournal.com]

I'd love to see a vid like that actually... I could give you custody of a Angel/Faith/Wesley vid bunny I have contrasting events from Season 3 of BtVS to AtS S4 and showing the parallel evolution of each character dependant on the others along the way (using BtVS S3 and 4 and AtS up to "Orpheus." It is to Rage Against the Machine's "Killing In the Name of"

[f1renze.livejournal.com]

Oh wow. I seriously freaked out because I was just telling Wendy that I'd do anything to get an Angel vidbunny from you, hee!

I’ve listened to the song a couple times now, and this is exactly what I meant by wanting the challenge of seeing things *way beyond* what the song says. I can see some things, and wow, intense and potentially eye-opening. But mostly it's scary. I need a bridge to get to the sisabet brain. Can't wait to discuss it with you.

[sisabet.livejournal.com]

Okay - well - without the song in front of me, (I do remember it needs to be trimmed for time) I can think of several things.

"And you do what they taught you" -- there is a dual meaning here and it can mean both the council and (for both Wes and Faith) Angel.

Both Wes and Faith lose a lot when they abide only by the council's rules - Faith rebels and ends up on a murderous rampage. Wes is abandoned (because of his failure with Faith).

Both turn to Angel. Both must deal with the fact that Angel is both the thing that they were taught to kill and he is also the very thing that has their salvation.

So there is that. There is also the very nice, nice twist that Angel is also everything the council says he is: a dangerous killer and eventually both Wes and Faith will have come up against him (and you are just now watching this arc, so more on this later)- the man they love, the man that gave them purpose and also - the fact that he is not a man at all.

Tie into that the idea that by knowing and following Angel, Faith is able to move closer to the light, while it is his association with Angel that pushes Wes closer and closer to the dark so that by the time you arrive at the events unfolding in AtS S4, you have essentially had Wes and Faith switch selves from the start of the vid -- at the beginning Faith is the loose cannon and at the end that lose cannon is Wes.

And it is all because of Angel. "Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!" That is a refrain of anger and it can be flashed to Faith in the shower confronting the fact that she can't take Angel on (or what will have to happen if she does) to Wes breaking away from everything he knows (first council, then Angel) and don't forget Wes and Faith and the bloody bloody history betweeen the two.

Well, it should be a fabulous time.

[sdwolfpup.livejournal.com]

Both turn to Angel. Both must deal with the fact that Angel is both the thing that they were taught to kill and he is also the very thing that has their salvation.

It is this very idea that led me to putting "Little Altar Boy" by the Carpenters on my To Vid list. Faith POV speaking to Wes about Angel. I should be ashamed, but I'm not. Hee.

[sisabet.livejournal.com]

Dude - you are evil...And also brilliant. WOW.

[f1renze.livejournal.com]

What are you waiting for already! :D

[sdwolfpup.livejournal.com]

Are you kidding? If you make sisabet's idea, I won't need to make mine, that idea kicks booty.

Also, I have been listening to "Such Great Heights" almost nonstop since I saw your vid. Thanks so much. Hee!

[f1renze.livejournal.com]

They are different and I will just keep bugging you about it.

I am *terrified* of this vidbunny. New fandom, 180 degree change in style, and total challenge in thinking. Just what I need.

And hee! "Such Great Heights" the song is extremely addictive. The Postal Service in general makes me want to skip around on my toes.

[f1renze.livejournal.com]

I don't need to tell you that this is genius. The world needs this vid. I am so excited.

But I also know my limits, and will let you know if I decide I'm not equipped to do this.

Right now I'm just having more and more visuals.

[sisabet.livejournal.com]

I don't want to be too dictatorish on the idea... but (and this is just a thought)... the intro could be alternating shots of Faith breaking apart into violence (BtVS S3) Wes throwing Darts at the pub before the council comes in and Angelus rampaging thru Europe (all seasons of everything cause damn thats good stuff). I love intercutting.

[f1renze.livejournal.com]

I love the idea. I haven't done much conceptual paralleling, but intercutting would be crucial. And Angelus rampaging through Europe is the coolest thing ever.

I need to do serious source study.

PS: Have you given vidbunny custody to someone who ended up with something completely different from your visuals? Did you forgive that person?

[piper47.livejournal.com]

Yay! You're getting into Jossverse!! Yay!!! Good for you. Jossverse is awesome. I wish I did things in that fandom, but eh... it's pretty from the outside. ;)

[f1renze.livejournal.com]

It is very pretty. And I am very scared.

[piper47.livejournal.com]

Awww... don't be scared. You have a good support system. :) You'll do fine.